Flightdeck Solutions Forum Index Flightdeck Solutions
The place to meet and talk with fellow builders
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Nat Crea - Surround Visuals Update
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Flightdeck Solutions Forum Index -> FDS Customer Project Updates
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
melnato



Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 1087
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Nat Crea - Surround Visuals Update Reply with quote

A few months ago I took the plunge and bought a TH2Go, Sol7 Software and two more projectors.
Here's some more pics. and and brief explanation...

I made four timber stands from 3"x"2 pine, secured them to a heavy timber base with steel brackets(six stands would be better).

Then I screwed 3 sheets of 3mm MDF to the stands (2.4mX1.5m each)
This stuffs really likes to bend, so i just positioned stands to form a nice curve of about 2.5m radius.



A shot of the projectors...




Initially i tried to "plaster" the joins, but they were still noticeable so I purchased some thick 100% cotton curtain liner..1.5m wide...what a fluke.
I simply stretched that over the existing screen using white tacs(pins with a dome head).

The screen with the new fabric stretched over the MDF:




The Sol7 Set-up screen:



Testing:




Done! !! 7m X 1.5m (or 22ft X 5ft) Screen with a FOV of about 140'




Projectors :If you have the room: BenQ MP730 WXGA...top value and performance

Scenery: http://fullterrain.com/...YMLT


That's it

Nat


Last edited by melnato on Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:32 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
DaveA330



Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Posts: 87
Location: Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great setup Nat! Looks very realistic.
My main problem is room size. Can you post the room dimensions?
Also, if you don't mind me asking, is the Sol7 software very expensive?

Thanks
Dave
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
melnato



Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 1087
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,

The room is 5.5mWX4.5mDX2.7mH. Absolute minimum I think, in fact
3m Ceiling would've been better.

Sol7 Home Version is a must for a curved screen and is only AU$450 or
US$300 at todays rates...

Nat
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
RocketRod



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Posts: 293
Location: Colorado Springs, CO

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those shots Nat! Getting ready for a tower Fly-By? No flaps or gear.
_________________
Rodney

737NG Pit Builder
Some Assembly Required
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pcos
Site Admin


Joined: 03 Nov 2003
Posts: 2260

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Visual Systems Reply with quote

Really Slick Nat.
I think that you are really pushing the frontiers and braving all the unknowns. This is a very complex component for folks and having a few brave souls push forward like you are doing is a huge help.
When it comes to parts, FDS and others can afford to make a few mistakes along the way and not get into serious trouble. On the "Home" side of things, it is not as simple. Secondly is the cost impact.
Thank you for pushing and for being part of that "pioneering" group that leads the way as well as feeding back into the group.
PC
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Ivar Hestnes



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 319
Location: Flemma, Norway

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pictures and setup, Nat. Excellent visual. *jealous* Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
N737AG



Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 174
Location: Weston, FL, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abslutely stunning Nat. That is the level of perfection one should be persuing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
FirstinFlight



Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Illinois, USA

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Is a TripleHead2Go needed in this case? Reply with quote

nat:
Great work indeed.
I too use use a Matrox Triplehead device and my setup is indicated below. The left front, left, right front and right views are powered by Wideview.




Here is my question -
I needed the Matrox device in my case because i had to stretch the front view across 5 feet of the cockpit. In your case, merely using a single projector would have given you a field of view of 5 or more feet. In fact just by adjusting the placement of the projector you could have gotten your front view completed - see picture below



Question 1 - Why did you require to use the Th2Go device and Sol7 software?

Question 2- Just to confirm - even with your current setup are you able to get left front, left, right front and right views? I am assuming you dont - All of your 3 projectors collectively give you a wide FOV of your front view only - right?

Thanks,
CPJ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
melnato



Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 1087
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im confused CPJ...(love to know your name btw... Smile)

Nice graphics, but is this set up actually working? Or is it in planning?

Quote:
In fact just by adjusting the placement of the projector you could have gotten your front view completed - see picture below

How is this possible? I have THREE projectors running a 'forward' view,
3840X800...how could this be done with ONE projector at 1280X800?

Quote:

Question 1 - Why did you require to use the Th2Go device and Sol7 software?
TH2Go is obvious...
Sol7 corrects imagery for projecting:
- onto non-planar screen shapes such as curved screens;
- from unusual angles;
- a seamless image from multiple projectors(Pro Version)

Quote:
Question 2- Just to confirm - even with your current setup are you able to get left front, left, right front and right views? I am assuming you dont - All of your 3 projectors collectively give you a wide FOV of your front view only - right?


I can open up new windows to give me "fwd left and right", but the frame rate hit was not worth it.
I have a single forward view with a FOV of about 120 degrees. See pics below:





Nat
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
FirstinFlight



Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Illinois, USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first chart (Matrox TH2Go with 3 large CRT monitors for my front view) is what my sim has been running off for the past 4 years.

The second one (a single projector for my front view) is what i planned to upgrading to - until i saw your setup and began to wonder why you couldnt get away with one projector.

In any case, will post the pictures tomorrow. Pretty late in the evening now.


CP Jois
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jon Boe



Joined: 16 Feb 2004
Posts: 396
Location: Centennial, Colorado USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love how this hobby has evolved Very Happy

I too, used WidevieW for my first iteration. Downside, it requires 4 computers for a left, center, and right projection, and non-projected server. Upside, it accurately reflects the center and motion for left, center, right. Also, by spreading the graphics processing over several computers, performance wasn't all that bad with single core, 3 GHz computers with FSX.

Now that it looks like FSX is going to be the PC based sim for awhile (X-Plane potential excepted), I am again looking at a curved SOL7 system with WidevieW to get the proper perspective, along with the 4 computer solution.. Sad . If you look at some of my earlier images on the forum you can see the seams where the 3 projected images meet. Also, the field of view isn't what I wanted, and my room contraints at the time forced me into a 60 degree angle which did strange things to the sideview perspectives.

I'm going to have to think about this. TH2Go & WidevieW & perspective.

Hmmm

Really nice system Nat.

Cheers,

Jon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FirstinFlight



Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Illinois, USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed the hobby has evolved considerably and does so even faster now... you can tell by the community that we have.

I started with Flight Simulator v2 back in the 80's! I still have its user manual....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GDR



Joined: 26 Sep 2008
Posts: 308
Location: EBBR

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Is there a way with the TH2Go to create a 5-window view?

The config I'll be using is
- TH2Go
- Sol7
- 3 short throw (wide) beamers (Optoma 525ST)
- 220 selfmade screen

Do I need Wideview as well?

Thanks in advance for the help Smile
_________________
Geert.

Full B737-800 DSTD
ALL FDS & 0.01% OEMs
Sim-Avionics V1.94
P3D v4.5
FSUIPC v5.151

What goes up, must eventually come down!
http://www.flightsim737ng.be
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
melnato



Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 1087
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jon Smile Much appreciated.

There are advantages and dis-advantages in both approaches.

Yes the FOV is limited to around 120-130' with a THH2Go Forward view...BUT
the upside is a single FS computer AND a geometrically correct horizon( ill post some pics later to explain).
When you bank or pitch up/down with the Wideview/multi-view scenario, you get distorted horizons on your left and right views.

Besides taxiing, i am REALLY happy with the current set-up...dont knock till you try it. Cool
Quote:

Is there a way with the TH2Go to create a 5-window view?
The config I'll be using is
- TH2Go
- Sol7
- 3 short throw (wide) beamers (Optoma 525ST)
- 220 selfmade screen


@GDR...yes you can do this without wideview on ONE PC...but your frame rates will be unbearable. Wideview is needed for multiple networked visual computers...

Nat
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Paul M



Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 88
Location: KALB

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nat,

First I must say your project is coming out fantastic! What a joy it is to see your progress. Provides motivation to be sure!!!

I must agree with your recomendation on the visuals set up.
I am using the Th2GO and three projectors. I have tried it both ways i.e. 5 (6) window and the one window setup. Now while some may disagree I have more sense of motion with the one window than with the 5(6). I am not the only one who has that sensation, my wife and my FO's agree. Also the view is self aligning, no windows to position and everything knits together perfectly, as the scenery passes by. The frame rates: one window 29 FPS 5(6) window goes between 15 down to 5 FPS depending on scenery complexity. So I think I will be sticking with the one window set up.

Can you tell me (us) what zoom factor you are using to get the
120 degree FOV?

Again Nat what a great piece of work surly something to be proud of.

Paul M
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Flightdeck Solutions Forum Index -> FDS Customer Project Updates All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Page 1 of 8

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group